Theses are 2nds of Premium Brown harness Leather 19″ Off Billet for Saddle 2 Ply. It is made with Wickett & Craig harness leather with latigo liner and white stitching. The stitching outlines the billet and a design around all 4 holes. The stitching is only on one side of the billet around the 4 holes and is not spaced right. It is out of line some around the holes. It is 19″ long by 1-3/4″ wide and a durable 1/4″ thick outlined with white stitching, The off billet does not have the 3 holes on top with the leather tie. It can be used without it or punch a couple holes yourself. They are easy to install and great for all western saddles, Made in the USA . The only reason they are 2nds is the stitching; not quality of leather or function.